willigetagc
08-14 09:33 AM
Yes, that is right, I said “plight of EB2-India”.
I am a passive observer of these forums. But some of the ridiculous notions floating around here have motivated me to vent. First and foremost, the law as written is highly favorable to people in EB3 categories, even from India. Here is how...
Take my example (and there are thousands like myself)....came to the US 8 years ago, spent 5 years working day and night to earn a PhD on a low (barely sustainable) stipend, got FIRST job saw decent money for the first time 6 years after I came.
Now, compare this to a person working an EB3-job for the last 8 years. Not only does this person do a real job that hopefully provides a respectable income but this person also has the option of moving to EB2 after 5 years of experience. So, at the end of the day in 2008; this person comes out ahead of me in terms of money, in terms of priority date (if ported) and most likely in terms of GC.
There are complaints all over the forum which have the stink of pretentiousness such as “oh..i am a poor EB3 waiting for n number of years” etc etc. What you guys seem to forget is that YOU are NOT an EB3, it is your JOB that is EB3. You have all the opportunities that were/are available to a person who sweated it out in the university system here to gain more qualifications and get an EB2 job. You CHOSE not to. The general discussion seems to center around cribbing about the US immigration system (Immigration by the way is a privilege defined by laws, not a birthright) and then blaming the EB2 crowd when they finally see the system implement the law as intended in the first place (horizontal spillover rules).
All these posts that refer to “my career is over because my gc is delayed” are nothing but a pathetic excuse. Law of supply and demand....if you have a skillset that is valuable, you will be fine with or without GC anywhere in the world. It takes a bunch of documents to remain here legally, all you need is a passport to go back if the system here seems so bad.
For all the attacks that are bound to happen, here is the fodder.....this is probably my first and last post, I haven’t contributed a dime to IV, will work here as long as I like it and if not, India is a great country and provides enough opportunities for any skillset !!
most ridiculous argument and surprising because it is coming from a Phd. Surely, you must have defended your doctoral thesis, or did'nt you have one ? :p
The people who go for Phds should know that they are sacrificing short-term future cash flows in exchange for a far superior long-term cash flows. The others "EB3" go for a more milder but increasing series of future cash flows.
To each his own!!! But when people say that "my career is over because my gc is delayed" UNDERSTAND that they are venting their frustration. It does not mean that their career is really over.
And, like you, they will also work here as long as they like it and if not, go back...
I am a passive observer of these forums. But some of the ridiculous notions floating around here have motivated me to vent. First and foremost, the law as written is highly favorable to people in EB3 categories, even from India. Here is how...
Take my example (and there are thousands like myself)....came to the US 8 years ago, spent 5 years working day and night to earn a PhD on a low (barely sustainable) stipend, got FIRST job saw decent money for the first time 6 years after I came.
Now, compare this to a person working an EB3-job for the last 8 years. Not only does this person do a real job that hopefully provides a respectable income but this person also has the option of moving to EB2 after 5 years of experience. So, at the end of the day in 2008; this person comes out ahead of me in terms of money, in terms of priority date (if ported) and most likely in terms of GC.
There are complaints all over the forum which have the stink of pretentiousness such as “oh..i am a poor EB3 waiting for n number of years” etc etc. What you guys seem to forget is that YOU are NOT an EB3, it is your JOB that is EB3. You have all the opportunities that were/are available to a person who sweated it out in the university system here to gain more qualifications and get an EB2 job. You CHOSE not to. The general discussion seems to center around cribbing about the US immigration system (Immigration by the way is a privilege defined by laws, not a birthright) and then blaming the EB2 crowd when they finally see the system implement the law as intended in the first place (horizontal spillover rules).
All these posts that refer to “my career is over because my gc is delayed” are nothing but a pathetic excuse. Law of supply and demand....if you have a skillset that is valuable, you will be fine with or without GC anywhere in the world. It takes a bunch of documents to remain here legally, all you need is a passport to go back if the system here seems so bad.
For all the attacks that are bound to happen, here is the fodder.....this is probably my first and last post, I haven’t contributed a dime to IV, will work here as long as I like it and if not, India is a great country and provides enough opportunities for any skillset !!
most ridiculous argument and surprising because it is coming from a Phd. Surely, you must have defended your doctoral thesis, or did'nt you have one ? :p
The people who go for Phds should know that they are sacrificing short-term future cash flows in exchange for a far superior long-term cash flows. The others "EB3" go for a more milder but increasing series of future cash flows.
To each his own!!! But when people say that "my career is over because my gc is delayed" UNDERSTAND that they are venting their frustration. It does not mean that their career is really over.
And, like you, they will also work here as long as they like it and if not, go back...
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lelica32
08-13 08:27 AM
I have a question. My Firm is a really small one, just 1 employer + my = 2. The tax returns are not so good, becouse all the money was invested in a second business. The firm started in June 2005. The Firm has ca. $65.000 in a saving account. My salary will be $2000/month. Will be enough this $65.000 for the USCIS, for the Ability to pay.
Macaca
02-07 07:52 PM
If you are not counted against cap, that is equivalent to visa available = PD current.
I interpret SKILL as follows for US MS.
1. You wait for your PD to become current.
2. When your PD becomes current, you are not counted against the cap.
How can we verify that my understanding of step 1 is incorrect? Thanks.
I interpret SKILL as follows for US MS.
1. You wait for your PD to become current.
2. When your PD becomes current, you are not counted against the cap.
How can we verify that my understanding of step 1 is incorrect? Thanks.
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tnite
10-24 11:24 AM
I also got email from CRIS last night stating that my I-129 has been reopened.
I have a very simple immigration history:
I-129 filed and approved April 2005, petition expires 3/30/2008; only ever worked for this same company.
No H-1B extensions ever filed, no H-1B transfers ever done, no previous history of US immigration prior to April 2005.
Labor, I-140 and I-485 were filed November 2006; I-140 approved February 2007, I-485 approved June 2007, EB2 green card arrived June 2007.
There was a LUD on the I-140, in August, but that was about the same time as a bunch of other people got LUDs on cases starting SRC07... seems like I can disregard that.
There was also a LUD on the I-129 without a status change later in August. No explanation for that was apparent.
And now I get a notice on 10/23/2007 saying that the I-129 has been re-opened and that something will happen within the next 30 days. I'll be sure to keep you all updated if I get anything like an actual I-797 notice through the mail.
Did anyone else get anything on October 23rd?
why bother about I129 if you have a GC ?
I have a very simple immigration history:
I-129 filed and approved April 2005, petition expires 3/30/2008; only ever worked for this same company.
No H-1B extensions ever filed, no H-1B transfers ever done, no previous history of US immigration prior to April 2005.
Labor, I-140 and I-485 were filed November 2006; I-140 approved February 2007, I-485 approved June 2007, EB2 green card arrived June 2007.
There was a LUD on the I-140, in August, but that was about the same time as a bunch of other people got LUDs on cases starting SRC07... seems like I can disregard that.
There was also a LUD on the I-129 without a status change later in August. No explanation for that was apparent.
And now I get a notice on 10/23/2007 saying that the I-129 has been re-opened and that something will happen within the next 30 days. I'll be sure to keep you all updated if I get anything like an actual I-797 notice through the mail.
Did anyone else get anything on October 23rd?
why bother about I129 if you have a GC ?
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desi485
02-26 03:06 PM
I dont think they will stamp like that...If you show only AP they stamp I-94 based on its expiry says AOS pending or If you show only H1-B visa on PP they stamp I-94 based on Visa expire date..
But showing both at POE doesn't not give any value and also it might confuses IO..
HTH,
YTH.
Meanwhile, my lawyer today emailed & confirmed that the h1b will be valid even after using AP to travel and one can also renew or transfer the h1b. Even after the current I-94 expires obtained using AP, if one has still valid EAD or H1B I-797, he/she will be in status. However she also said that this is tricky situation and she could not find any CIS memo.
HOPE THIS WILL STILL SOLVE MANY PEOPLE'S DOUBTS.
Now I see no reason why anyone should NOT use AP to travel. Why should ANYONE waste money and time for restamping and take a small chance???
However as "Ramba" said in post# 27, it is still a small chance as no one knows what is exactly the CIS rules.
Note: As many people have specified in their signature, this is not a legal advice and always consult your own attorney for your own case with all the details.
But showing both at POE doesn't not give any value and also it might confuses IO..
HTH,
YTH.
Meanwhile, my lawyer today emailed & confirmed that the h1b will be valid even after using AP to travel and one can also renew or transfer the h1b. Even after the current I-94 expires obtained using AP, if one has still valid EAD or H1B I-797, he/she will be in status. However she also said that this is tricky situation and she could not find any CIS memo.
HOPE THIS WILL STILL SOLVE MANY PEOPLE'S DOUBTS.
Now I see no reason why anyone should NOT use AP to travel. Why should ANYONE waste money and time for restamping and take a small chance???
However as "Ramba" said in post# 27, it is still a small chance as no one knows what is exactly the CIS rules.
Note: As many people have specified in their signature, this is not a legal advice and always consult your own attorney for your own case with all the details.
rajagopal_04
12-22 01:53 PM
My wife went for H4 visa on Dec 19. I booked flight ticket on 28th. So it seems like I need to postpone the date by at least a week.
Your comments are welcome...Thanks!!
Your comments are welcome...Thanks!!
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ek_bechara
06-05 04:04 PM
I just called all the numbers and left messages. Wouldn't it be more impactful if we have someone like Vinod Khosla represent us. These calls are great but someone who can walk directly into the Congresswoman/Congressman office will give us greater mileage in our efforts.
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Leo07
12-01 01:18 PM
Folks,
I know many of you may have already thought about this at some point. I'll lay out my views on the donations...IV can object/correct.
I'm following the donations thread along with many of you and there is not much to be excited there.2000$ in 2 weeks....for all the Agenda that pappu has posted. I understand that everyone(including me)...will have limited resources at our disposal every month...may it be mortgage/daycare/medical/school or those unexpected repairs...so the bottom line is there is not much room to increase our monthly contributions or...holiday contributions.
I was thinking...we are 25000 'real' people...and there are more than one visit by each person to this site.
1. Can IV use any space to advertise...so that IV can get some AD Money?
2. Is it possible to get some space on popular pro-immigrant or immigrant driven websites...to donate to our cause?
3. Would it be possible to split the donation denominations further down...like 5 dollars..or even low..so that all immigrants...including people who got the GC's/Citizenship can contribute with out looking deeper into their pockets.
4. Optional....ebay/paypal donation to the peoples questions/answers...Mind you it is totally optional...if you want to donate 5/10/20/100...or how important the question is and hw satisfied the person is with the information...etc
5. DOnation boxes at Immigrant owned grocery stores...with out compromising their principles
Folks, I have layed them out with good intentions...and have also given a thought of what I personally can do for each point above...I'm not expecting the vultures to prey...on the post with mundane comments.
Regards.
I know many of you may have already thought about this at some point. I'll lay out my views on the donations...IV can object/correct.
I'm following the donations thread along with many of you and there is not much to be excited there.2000$ in 2 weeks....for all the Agenda that pappu has posted. I understand that everyone(including me)...will have limited resources at our disposal every month...may it be mortgage/daycare/medical/school or those unexpected repairs...so the bottom line is there is not much room to increase our monthly contributions or...holiday contributions.
I was thinking...we are 25000 'real' people...and there are more than one visit by each person to this site.
1. Can IV use any space to advertise...so that IV can get some AD Money?
2. Is it possible to get some space on popular pro-immigrant or immigrant driven websites...to donate to our cause?
3. Would it be possible to split the donation denominations further down...like 5 dollars..or even low..so that all immigrants...including people who got the GC's/Citizenship can contribute with out looking deeper into their pockets.
4. Optional....ebay/paypal donation to the peoples questions/answers...Mind you it is totally optional...if you want to donate 5/10/20/100...or how important the question is and hw satisfied the person is with the information...etc
5. DOnation boxes at Immigrant owned grocery stores...with out compromising their principles
Folks, I have layed them out with good intentions...and have also given a thought of what I personally can do for each point above...I'm not expecting the vultures to prey...on the post with mundane comments.
Regards.
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alterego
10-27 04:53 PM
68K is unbelievable. Can you elaborate how.
The pain during the long wait is understandable.
Since you asked here goes........Yepp 68K. Let me say at the outset, that was both my share and my employers share(mostly mine however probably 2/3). Nonetheless all of these were USCIS/Lawyer/Related process fees.
3 separate J1 visa fees. Filing fees etc. About 1K.
Lawyer J1 waiver representation fees 7k. USCIS fees for that filing process plus getting the State sponsorship for the program etc. another 1K.
Lawyer gave bad advise(told me filing labor won't help me as NIW takes the same time, never knew about something called PD in those days nor did she tell me). That screwed my case so when I found this is not correct and she continued to give bad advise, I changed lawyer in late 2003. Ended up filing both ways.
Then the 6 H1b filings. (My wife changed jobs on H1b and also had two renewals, I had one renewal). Lawyers fees 1800-2000 each time, plus USCIS filing fees. We did premium processing for H1b on three of those occasions, so 3K more.
Next the retainer fees for Each of the four 140s. One of mine based on Labor, and one NIW based were 6 and 6.5K respectively. My Wife's were 5K and 6K(both Labor/PERM based with but with different employers). The Adverts etc were separate. The four USCIS filing fees for this. We also did PP for two of the 140s, so another 2K there. Then the 485 filing fees. Also, we were finger printed multiple times.
Then our near annual ritual of EAD/AP application for the past 4 yrs(though it felt more like semi-annual). Lawyer fees 1K each rounds, USCIS filing fees plus minor charges about $1300 each rounds(cumulative two EADS and two APs). Only to have it valid for 9 months because you applied on time and they approved it too quickly and they approve it just for a year from the approval date eating up 3 months of your old one. Only on my last application in March did I get a 2 yr approval. Apply later you say, well once I applied just 95 days ahead and was delayed as they took 126 days, they sent an RFE(after I inquired after 90 days mind you). It got so bad that due to that RFE and the delay for my EAD, mine and my wife's cases were even out of sync, heck even my EAD and AP were out of sync(my AP was approved but they had a RFE for my EAD as I said before)............hence more courier fees and more confusion!
Total of 8 passport stampings over the years..... another 1K.
I had to do medicals twice, Get CXrays twice, PPDs once, Labs twice, because the civil surgeon screwed up the form the first time and the USCIS advised me about this 3 yrs later, rendering everything done previously obsolete and so..........second rounds. The civil surgeon even charged me twice! SOB........ but I digress.
My wifes medicals were just once, fortunately went through fine. Total 2k for all the above back and forth for mine and hers.
Then other miscellaneous fees, Lawyer document fees, Courier charges, RFE responses etc.
Now I will spend the last 150 on a bottle of Dom Perignon and hopefully that will be the end of this saga!
You can tally it up for yourself. That is the ball park. Each person can quibble a few thousand this way or the other based on what you consider attributable to this endeavor or not. However, that was the tally I made. Either way it is shameful and extortionate IMHO.
The pain during the long wait is understandable.
Since you asked here goes........Yepp 68K. Let me say at the outset, that was both my share and my employers share(mostly mine however probably 2/3). Nonetheless all of these were USCIS/Lawyer/Related process fees.
3 separate J1 visa fees. Filing fees etc. About 1K.
Lawyer J1 waiver representation fees 7k. USCIS fees for that filing process plus getting the State sponsorship for the program etc. another 1K.
Lawyer gave bad advise(told me filing labor won't help me as NIW takes the same time, never knew about something called PD in those days nor did she tell me). That screwed my case so when I found this is not correct and she continued to give bad advise, I changed lawyer in late 2003. Ended up filing both ways.
Then the 6 H1b filings. (My wife changed jobs on H1b and also had two renewals, I had one renewal). Lawyers fees 1800-2000 each time, plus USCIS filing fees. We did premium processing for H1b on three of those occasions, so 3K more.
Next the retainer fees for Each of the four 140s. One of mine based on Labor, and one NIW based were 6 and 6.5K respectively. My Wife's were 5K and 6K(both Labor/PERM based with but with different employers). The Adverts etc were separate. The four USCIS filing fees for this. We also did PP for two of the 140s, so another 2K there. Then the 485 filing fees. Also, we were finger printed multiple times.
Then our near annual ritual of EAD/AP application for the past 4 yrs(though it felt more like semi-annual). Lawyer fees 1K each rounds, USCIS filing fees plus minor charges about $1300 each rounds(cumulative two EADS and two APs). Only to have it valid for 9 months because you applied on time and they approved it too quickly and they approve it just for a year from the approval date eating up 3 months of your old one. Only on my last application in March did I get a 2 yr approval. Apply later you say, well once I applied just 95 days ahead and was delayed as they took 126 days, they sent an RFE(after I inquired after 90 days mind you). It got so bad that due to that RFE and the delay for my EAD, mine and my wife's cases were even out of sync, heck even my EAD and AP were out of sync(my AP was approved but they had a RFE for my EAD as I said before)............hence more courier fees and more confusion!
Total of 8 passport stampings over the years..... another 1K.
I had to do medicals twice, Get CXrays twice, PPDs once, Labs twice, because the civil surgeon screwed up the form the first time and the USCIS advised me about this 3 yrs later, rendering everything done previously obsolete and so..........second rounds. The civil surgeon even charged me twice! SOB........ but I digress.
My wifes medicals were just once, fortunately went through fine. Total 2k for all the above back and forth for mine and hers.
Then other miscellaneous fees, Lawyer document fees, Courier charges, RFE responses etc.
Now I will spend the last 150 on a bottle of Dom Perignon and hopefully that will be the end of this saga!
You can tally it up for yourself. That is the ball park. Each person can quibble a few thousand this way or the other based on what you consider attributable to this endeavor or not. However, that was the tally I made. Either way it is shameful and extortionate IMHO.
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skd
07-11 11:59 AM
I called my attorney after seeing this thread. This is what I heard from him.
We have not received it back from CIS. We have not received any of them back that we filed. CIS said it will unequivocally reject them. But as of Monday they have decided not to send some back (many were already sent back) pending some internal decision-making about how to handle them. We would let you know if anything happened.
lawyer says "many were already sent back " did any body who filed on 2nd July got there application back ??
We have not received it back from CIS. We have not received any of them back that we filed. CIS said it will unequivocally reject them. But as of Monday they have decided not to send some back (many were already sent back) pending some internal decision-making about how to handle them. We would let you know if anything happened.
lawyer says "many were already sent back " did any body who filed on 2nd July got there application back ??
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laksmi
07-02 03:41 PM
If any employer is minting too much and troubling a lot, make all necessary advances that one can physically produce, in such case once the person is approved with good status of Green Card one can sue the employer, that would be the right time to bring him to justice.
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maddipati1
11-21 09:15 PM
this means EVERYONE should go with EAD
Nice. It appears that according to the link below:
http://immigration-information.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18946&postcount=28
The EAD doesn't get invalid when AOS is denied and will be valid till its expiration date.
On the other hand, it appears that there is an advantage to switching to EAD prior to the 6 year H1 expiration to stop the H1 clock. In situation where a AOS is incorrectly denied, a change of status from EAD to H1 for the remainig time can be helpful.
Thoughts?
Nice. It appears that according to the link below:
http://immigration-information.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18946&postcount=28
The EAD doesn't get invalid when AOS is denied and will be valid till its expiration date.
On the other hand, it appears that there is an advantage to switching to EAD prior to the 6 year H1 expiration to stop the H1 clock. In situation where a AOS is incorrectly denied, a change of status from EAD to H1 for the remainig time can be helpful.
Thoughts?
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RNGC
12-09 03:11 PM
Should we send at least 100 emails via change.gov to Mr. Obama's team on Legal Immigration?
http://change.gov/page/s/immigration
Can anyone draft a sample email explaining our concerns?
sending a email right now....
this should be a action item....Instead of canned template, each one of us should write our story...do mention the bills by Joe Lofgren...
http://change.gov/page/s/immigration
Can anyone draft a sample email explaining our concerns?
sending a email right now....
this should be a action item....Instead of canned template, each one of us should write our story...do mention the bills by Joe Lofgren...
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baburob2
02-22 12:58 PM
This is the agenda for Bush's agenda to India
He outlined his plans for his forthcoming visit to India and Pakistan. He said India and the US will be holding extensive dliberations on five broad areas:
Defeating terrorism.
Promoting democracy.
Improving economic ties.
Health, environment and climate control.
Nuclear energy co-operation
http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/feb/22ndeal4.htm?q=tp&file=.htm
there is an agenda on Improving economic ties . Will it be possible to touch base with the corresponding Indian representative on the above meeting to stress on removing retrogression. This would be a good platform to include the idea bcos of higher visibility and more negotiations possibility.
He outlined his plans for his forthcoming visit to India and Pakistan. He said India and the US will be holding extensive dliberations on five broad areas:
Defeating terrorism.
Promoting democracy.
Improving economic ties.
Health, environment and climate control.
Nuclear energy co-operation
http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/feb/22ndeal4.htm?q=tp&file=.htm
there is an agenda on Improving economic ties . Will it be possible to touch base with the corresponding Indian representative on the above meeting to stress on removing retrogression. This would be a good platform to include the idea bcos of higher visibility and more negotiations possibility.
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gcisadawg
04-09 11:58 AM
My wife couldn't do TB test since she was pregnant when we filed I-485 in Aug 2007. Now she is in India and be back only in the first week of June. If we receive an RFE for her TB test ( my PD is EB3-I Oct 2003), can we request an extension for RFE? Is that possible?
-GCisaDawg
My fear came true today. USCIS issued a RFE for my wife's I-485 TB test and she is in India right now. RFE has May 6th deadline and she would be back on June 3rd.
What are our options?
Request an extension for RFE?
Pre-pone her trip? (this would be really a costly option for us...since we have so much planned around that date)
Do TB test in USCIS approved surgeons in india (If there is any)
Thanks,
GCisaDawg
-GCisaDawg
My fear came true today. USCIS issued a RFE for my wife's I-485 TB test and she is in India right now. RFE has May 6th deadline and she would be back on June 3rd.
What are our options?
Request an extension for RFE?
Pre-pone her trip? (this would be really a costly option for us...since we have so much planned around that date)
Do TB test in USCIS approved surgeons in india (If there is any)
Thanks,
GCisaDawg
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pete
08-14 08:51 AM
It took me around 4 years. EB2 India, started as a scientist later physician and endless headaches ...... but its over now. Got my card yesterday. Its an amazing stress relief and confidence booster.
I could have tried EB1 too but wasnt sure how it would turn out hence stuck to EB2.
PD Dec 2005, EB2, RD for 485 Sept 2007. Welcome notice August 5 2008.
For some odd reason I got a red on this forum. I dont know who did that and why. But I dont care.....
For those who are waiting: Keep pushing and thinking of new ways of making this work. if you are EB3 try to become EB2 and even EB1. In the end all that matters is getting the card.
As regards this forum. I never contributed but found this to a good source of information.
bye bye:)
I could have tried EB1 too but wasnt sure how it would turn out hence stuck to EB2.
PD Dec 2005, EB2, RD for 485 Sept 2007. Welcome notice August 5 2008.
For some odd reason I got a red on this forum. I dont know who did that and why. But I dont care.....
For those who are waiting: Keep pushing and thinking of new ways of making this work. if you are EB3 try to become EB2 and even EB1. In the end all that matters is getting the card.
As regards this forum. I never contributed but found this to a good source of information.
bye bye:)
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realizeit
08-14 10:20 AM
Mr chaanakya, You may find this as a personal attack! But it is not. This is an attack on your thought process!
You claim that you received a PHD. But I seriously doubt whether the university that decorated you with a PHD evaluated your ability to think rationally and ability to reason!
Normally with education people achieve wisdom, knowledge, ability for rational thinking, ability to reason, humility, compassion and a better understanding of the functioning of the world.
I am not saying you do not have the right to complain or right to protest. You have and you definitely should have. But the approach that you have taken is the wrong one! In your post you criticize about people lamenting their plight! In reality, you are also doing the same, Am I correct?
If you are a real PHD, just go through the following post that you presented and analyze how you can improve that to make it a product from a REAL PHD!
If such an educated guy like you can become an opportunist, how you can expect higher standards from lesser mortals!
In another post you said that you were eligible for EB1 and couldn't go through that rout, are you lamenting here? If you are well qualified, why didn't you go through that rout?
You said:
"You have all the opportunities that were/are available to a person who sweated it out in the university system here to gain more qualifications and get an EB2 job."
In the same token, Why you are not trying to achieve a suitable job at a suitable firm which will apply your GC in EB1? You have all the opportunities for that, right? Why can't you achieve a Nobel prize and obtain GC in a split second? Who is stopping you?
Just because, you did your masters and PHD from here, does that make you special? What about a guy who obtained Masters from G Britain? - Is he ineligible? Would you prefer special treatment over him? The point is, when you came here, you swore that you do not have any intention to immigrate, and you just have intentions to study and return to your home country - Try to remember, you did that in your F1 visa application form. So, my friend, nothing gives you a right to be here or to get GC. It is a privilege.
You need to understand one thing: Each person has different skills, living circumstances, responsibilities, and different type of blessing from the almighty. So, don't measure everyone with the same yard stick that you are using to measure and don't use your own selfmade standards.
If undocumented immigrants where also competing with you for a GC spot, you would have said, they also have the same opportunity here, why they are not taking masters and PHD to get their GCs sooner?
In reality, some are fortunate to reach your level, but not everyone! But that doesn't make them ineligible for the Pursuit of Happiness and Pursuit of a better life!
If you do have a real PHD, you should lead, you should be a role model for many and propel your energy in the positive direction instead of a stupid post like this! You can work to make things better in this country!
My point is, work hard and lead to improve the immigration related laws and procedures!
Last point I would like to mention: Dear friend, Just education alone will not make you a better person or a person with wisdom. Try to learn from life, lives of others, problems of others! I think, if you try, you can understand this better than me, because you have better education!
And please, don't speak for me: I am an EB2 Masters category guy.
Last message to all folks who express their feelings through red dots: Think before you act! Provide the real reason why you are giving a red dot. Don't just allow your emotions to control you.
Yes, that is right, I said “plight of EB2-India”.
I am a passive observer of these forums. But some of the ridiculous notions floating around here have motivated me to vent. First and foremost, the law as written is highly favorable to people in EB3 categories, even from India. Here is how...
Take my example (and there are thousands like myself)....came to the US 8 years ago, spent 5 years working day and night to earn a PhD on a low (barely sustainable) stipend, got FIRST job saw decent money for the first time 6 years after I came.
Now, compare this to a person working an EB3-job for the last 8 years. Not only does this person do a real job that hopefully provides a respectable income but this person also has the option of moving to EB2 after 5 years of experience. So, at the end of the day in 2008; this person comes out ahead of me in terms of money, in terms of priority date (if ported) and most likely in terms of GC.
There are complaints all over the forum which have the stink of pretentiousness such as “oh..i am a poor EB3 waiting for n number of years” etc etc. What you guys seem to forget is that YOU are NOT an EB3, it is your JOB that is EB3. You have all the opportunities that were/are available to a person who sweated it out in the university system here to gain more qualifications and get an EB2 job. You CHOSE not to. The general discussion seems to center around cribbing about the US immigration system (Immigration by the way is a privilege defined by laws, not a birthright) and then blaming the EB2 crowd when they finally see the system implement the law as intended in the first place (horizontal spillover rules).
All these posts that refer to “my career is over because my gc is delayed” are nothing but a pathetic excuse. Law of supply and demand....if you have a skillset that is valuable, you will be fine with or without GC anywhere in the world. It takes a bunch of documents to remain here legally, all you need is a passport to go back if the system here seems so bad.
For all the attacks that are bound to happen, here is the fodder.....this is probably my first and last post, I haven’t contributed a dime to IV, will work here as long as I like it and if not, India is a great country and provides enough opportunities for any skillset !!
You claim that you received a PHD. But I seriously doubt whether the university that decorated you with a PHD evaluated your ability to think rationally and ability to reason!
Normally with education people achieve wisdom, knowledge, ability for rational thinking, ability to reason, humility, compassion and a better understanding of the functioning of the world.
I am not saying you do not have the right to complain or right to protest. You have and you definitely should have. But the approach that you have taken is the wrong one! In your post you criticize about people lamenting their plight! In reality, you are also doing the same, Am I correct?
If you are a real PHD, just go through the following post that you presented and analyze how you can improve that to make it a product from a REAL PHD!
If such an educated guy like you can become an opportunist, how you can expect higher standards from lesser mortals!
In another post you said that you were eligible for EB1 and couldn't go through that rout, are you lamenting here? If you are well qualified, why didn't you go through that rout?
You said:
"You have all the opportunities that were/are available to a person who sweated it out in the university system here to gain more qualifications and get an EB2 job."
In the same token, Why you are not trying to achieve a suitable job at a suitable firm which will apply your GC in EB1? You have all the opportunities for that, right? Why can't you achieve a Nobel prize and obtain GC in a split second? Who is stopping you?
Just because, you did your masters and PHD from here, does that make you special? What about a guy who obtained Masters from G Britain? - Is he ineligible? Would you prefer special treatment over him? The point is, when you came here, you swore that you do not have any intention to immigrate, and you just have intentions to study and return to your home country - Try to remember, you did that in your F1 visa application form. So, my friend, nothing gives you a right to be here or to get GC. It is a privilege.
You need to understand one thing: Each person has different skills, living circumstances, responsibilities, and different type of blessing from the almighty. So, don't measure everyone with the same yard stick that you are using to measure and don't use your own selfmade standards.
If undocumented immigrants where also competing with you for a GC spot, you would have said, they also have the same opportunity here, why they are not taking masters and PHD to get their GCs sooner?
In reality, some are fortunate to reach your level, but not everyone! But that doesn't make them ineligible for the Pursuit of Happiness and Pursuit of a better life!
If you do have a real PHD, you should lead, you should be a role model for many and propel your energy in the positive direction instead of a stupid post like this! You can work to make things better in this country!
My point is, work hard and lead to improve the immigration related laws and procedures!
Last point I would like to mention: Dear friend, Just education alone will not make you a better person or a person with wisdom. Try to learn from life, lives of others, problems of others! I think, if you try, you can understand this better than me, because you have better education!
And please, don't speak for me: I am an EB2 Masters category guy.
Last message to all folks who express their feelings through red dots: Think before you act! Provide the real reason why you are giving a red dot. Don't just allow your emotions to control you.
Yes, that is right, I said “plight of EB2-India”.
I am a passive observer of these forums. But some of the ridiculous notions floating around here have motivated me to vent. First and foremost, the law as written is highly favorable to people in EB3 categories, even from India. Here is how...
Take my example (and there are thousands like myself)....came to the US 8 years ago, spent 5 years working day and night to earn a PhD on a low (barely sustainable) stipend, got FIRST job saw decent money for the first time 6 years after I came.
Now, compare this to a person working an EB3-job for the last 8 years. Not only does this person do a real job that hopefully provides a respectable income but this person also has the option of moving to EB2 after 5 years of experience. So, at the end of the day in 2008; this person comes out ahead of me in terms of money, in terms of priority date (if ported) and most likely in terms of GC.
There are complaints all over the forum which have the stink of pretentiousness such as “oh..i am a poor EB3 waiting for n number of years” etc etc. What you guys seem to forget is that YOU are NOT an EB3, it is your JOB that is EB3. You have all the opportunities that were/are available to a person who sweated it out in the university system here to gain more qualifications and get an EB2 job. You CHOSE not to. The general discussion seems to center around cribbing about the US immigration system (Immigration by the way is a privilege defined by laws, not a birthright) and then blaming the EB2 crowd when they finally see the system implement the law as intended in the first place (horizontal spillover rules).
All these posts that refer to “my career is over because my gc is delayed” are nothing but a pathetic excuse. Law of supply and demand....if you have a skillset that is valuable, you will be fine with or without GC anywhere in the world. It takes a bunch of documents to remain here legally, all you need is a passport to go back if the system here seems so bad.
For all the attacks that are bound to happen, here is the fodder.....this is probably my first and last post, I haven’t contributed a dime to IV, will work here as long as I like it and if not, India is a great country and provides enough opportunities for any skillset !!
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jetflyer
06-13 04:23 PM
EB3 I is still very unfortunate... I guess this is how the melting pot works... correct me if I am wrong.
Out of 140K Visas 7%= 9800 is assigned to India (All Categories)
Out of 9800 - First EB1 then left over EB2 and Then leftover to EB3 :(
From over all left over of 140K - First EB1 then left over EB2 and Then leftover to EB3 (all other countries) - Left over (EB3 China) - Left over to (EB3 India) :(
EB3 India is lowest on the FOOD Chain!!!
EB3 India is not unlucky but thats the default category for any one to apply when they or job doesn't let them go for Eb1/2.
So the obvious reason is:
when we have brand new lot of 85K H1s most of them apply for Eb3, and big chuck is Indian (no 7% cap here), but regardless of category, if 85k applies for GC, with one dependent it counts 130k.
And for GC allocation we have country cap which is ONLY 7% when we have 70% applicants. Do the math, 85000*.7*2= 119000 applicants for GC from India each year and they are entitled for 140000*.07=9800 and now lets say with all favors from ROW and EB1 we got double say about 20,000 still there is a back log of about 100K each year.
Thats assuming everybody applies for GC out of 85K H1 stock.
Based on this I don't see EB3 to become FIFO or backlogless because the system is not balanced,
# of ppl coming on H1 each year * xfactor = #of GC given to EB each year
Out of 140K Visas 7%= 9800 is assigned to India (All Categories)
Out of 9800 - First EB1 then left over EB2 and Then leftover to EB3 :(
From over all left over of 140K - First EB1 then left over EB2 and Then leftover to EB3 (all other countries) - Left over (EB3 China) - Left over to (EB3 India) :(
EB3 India is lowest on the FOOD Chain!!!
EB3 India is not unlucky but thats the default category for any one to apply when they or job doesn't let them go for Eb1/2.
So the obvious reason is:
when we have brand new lot of 85K H1s most of them apply for Eb3, and big chuck is Indian (no 7% cap here), but regardless of category, if 85k applies for GC, with one dependent it counts 130k.
And for GC allocation we have country cap which is ONLY 7% when we have 70% applicants. Do the math, 85000*.7*2= 119000 applicants for GC from India each year and they are entitled for 140000*.07=9800 and now lets say with all favors from ROW and EB1 we got double say about 20,000 still there is a back log of about 100K each year.
Thats assuming everybody applies for GC out of 85K H1 stock.
Based on this I don't see EB3 to become FIFO or backlogless because the system is not balanced,
# of ppl coming on H1 each year * xfactor = #of GC given to EB each year
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qplearn
11-16 01:28 PM
How can people write this kind of information. Even I have come through and Indian company and I used to pay all taxes here which includes, Federal, Social, State etc.,
This should end. People here should know that we are paying all taxes. And we are paying Social Security tax as well. Because of retrogression we don't yet know if we would get our green card. We still pay for it and we don't take a dime of it if we have to go back to India.
We are helping the elders to have regular pay and this is what we hear? If there is a way as our friend said we should confront this legally.
Rather we should worry about how to get SKIL passed. This guy from the Hudson institute is a nutcase like Lou Dobbs. Can we sue CNN? Don't get me wrong, my blood too boils when I read such nonsense. But getting emotional doesn't help.
This should end. People here should know that we are paying all taxes. And we are paying Social Security tax as well. Because of retrogression we don't yet know if we would get our green card. We still pay for it and we don't take a dime of it if we have to go back to India.
We are helping the elders to have regular pay and this is what we hear? If there is a way as our friend said we should confront this legally.
Rather we should worry about how to get SKIL passed. This guy from the Hudson institute is a nutcase like Lou Dobbs. Can we sue CNN? Don't get me wrong, my blood too boils when I read such nonsense. But getting emotional doesn't help.
cpolisetti
04-26 01:51 PM
Anything you could contribute is great, but yeah passing on the message and encouraging others to contribute will be most helpful and that will generate more contributions.
I haven't seen any other movement as big as this and as productive and valuable as IV core team is doing for immigration community.
I hope other members will recognize this and donate generously.
Accept my $50 contribution now. More on the way...
My other contribution is forwarding the message to all my friends.
Best of Luck for your work.
I haven't seen any other movement as big as this and as productive and valuable as IV core team is doing for immigration community.
I hope other members will recognize this and donate generously.
Accept my $50 contribution now. More on the way...
My other contribution is forwarding the message to all my friends.
Best of Luck for your work.
Redeye
08-14 06:19 PM
This guy posted six messages and he got so many green dots. I have only 3. May be it because I am EB3 . It rhymes.... :D
What some people forget on this forum is there was a guy not too long who was dying in six months and I am sure most of our situations are not so dire. Look we all will get GC, we are AOS pending it is a matter of a year here and a year there. But please do not fight like this, we are a community. We were one group before these VBs and now we fight amongst ourselves. It amazes me how the gora man is still able to divide and rule. Chill and relax....go watch olympics.
Ok, now give me some greens.I am EB3 and only green I can get is the dots.
For those who care to read...the fact that I am suggesting that people should port their priority dates before that door closes shows that I believe that people who have played by the rules (ie actually put in the 5 yrs experience or find a job with EB2 requirements) should get preference !!
I call this the plight of EB2 india because as the rules are set up, in theory, if majority of EB3 ported priority dates, then yes, EB2 with later dates would truly get the short end of the stick.
Having said that, the backlash against people like SunnySurya is unfair. From his perspective, he is right and the law grants him the right to sue if he feels so.
THe problem in these forums is that any mature discussion is not possible because any dissenting voice is soon suppressed with ad hominem attacks such as the gentlemen who wanted to buy me tickets to india.
Seriously, how much more immature can we get?
Even reading this discussion, NOT ONE PERSON has attacked the argument on a legal basis. INsults are aplenty though.
What some people forget on this forum is there was a guy not too long who was dying in six months and I am sure most of our situations are not so dire. Look we all will get GC, we are AOS pending it is a matter of a year here and a year there. But please do not fight like this, we are a community. We were one group before these VBs and now we fight amongst ourselves. It amazes me how the gora man is still able to divide and rule. Chill and relax....go watch olympics.
Ok, now give me some greens.I am EB3 and only green I can get is the dots.
For those who care to read...the fact that I am suggesting that people should port their priority dates before that door closes shows that I believe that people who have played by the rules (ie actually put in the 5 yrs experience or find a job with EB2 requirements) should get preference !!
I call this the plight of EB2 india because as the rules are set up, in theory, if majority of EB3 ported priority dates, then yes, EB2 with later dates would truly get the short end of the stick.
Having said that, the backlash against people like SunnySurya is unfair. From his perspective, he is right and the law grants him the right to sue if he feels so.
THe problem in these forums is that any mature discussion is not possible because any dissenting voice is soon suppressed with ad hominem attacks such as the gentlemen who wanted to buy me tickets to india.
Seriously, how much more immature can we get?
Even reading this discussion, NOT ONE PERSON has attacked the argument on a legal basis. INsults are aplenty though.